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top of the hour. 3:00 p.m. eastern. i'm poppy harlow in new york. glad you're wir us. republican front-runner donald trump just wrapped up a ralliry thousands of supporters three days before the crucial winner take all ohio primary. he slammed rival john kasich, ohio's governor for supporting free trade deals and earlier trump blasted what he call as planned attack in chicago last night. you certainly heard about that. trump claims his supporters were taunted and harassed and blames backers of democrat bernie sanders calling sanders "our communist friend." the chicago event was cancelled after chaos erupted. prior to a planned trump
appearance. also, trump blamed sanders supporter for interrupting today's event in cleveland. listen -- >> look, it's a bernie person. it's a bernie -- hello, bernie! hey, bernie, get your people in line, bernie. get your people in line. can you imagine bernie saying that trump should get his people under control? and they put in these people? >> all right. sanders said, don't blame his supporters for the violence at these rallies. a statement were you jest got in from senator bernie sanders. it says as is the case with virtually every day donald trump is showing the american people that he had a pathological liar. obviously while i appreciate that we had supporters at the trump rally in chicago, our campaign did not organize the protests much more of that statement but there is the headline. republican rivals are pointing fingers at trump saying the billionaire businessman helped create a tense atmosphere now
seeping into the race for the white house. let's talk about it. full coverage today. our sara murray is inside the trump event in cleveland. martin savidge outside the event. sara, talk about what we saw inside the event. what played out? >> reporter: poppy, some of these events you go to, these trump events, seen escalating violence, feel like a tinder bo box. this was not one of those. we saw a sporadic protest, for most part they were peaceful. one woman with a bernie sign and one erupted into people throwing punches, both a trump supportary and protestors on both sides but everything was wrapped up quickly and the people were escorted now. not major protests we've seen at some other events. for the most part it was trump up on that stage hammering john kasich and trying to win this ohio primary, poppy. >> you know what's interesting, sara, your thoughts on what bernie sanders just did coming out with this statement, and
saying, look, this wasn't us whatsoever. i know there is back and forth about tweet that was sent on behalf of the trump camp, pointing to a bernie sanders' person. did we get to the bottom of all of this? >> reporter: well, donald trump on this stage will say it's bernie sanders supporters who are causing the problems, who are showing up at his events who are protesting. i think the reality is when you go to these events it's a wide number of individuals that show up. sometimes they're bernie sanders supporters, outside earlier was black lives matter supporters. it's a whole set of different people, and i think it just tells you, donald trump has been good in bringing energy to the republican party. we certainly saw that here. this was a very energetic crowd, but there are people beyond the republican primary voters who have been very offended by his language and some of those people are bernie sanders supporters, some are those are not. >> yeah, and trump even saying in the tweet today this all has "totally energized america." sara, stay with me. martin savidge to you, outside
authorities gently guided them to the door and said, there's the exit. now use it. so for the most part here, it is peaceful. but we'll monitor this in the background. poppy? >> glad to hear it's been peaceful. stay with me, marty. jeff, to you. i think far too often, jeff, we often just hear from sort of the pundits and media and everyone weighs in after these events happen. like what took place, which was pretty stunning last night in chicago. you spoke with some of the protestors themselves. what did they tell you? >> reporter: poppy, it was interesting to watch the protestors. we were outside of the rally. some of these pictures you're seeing inside the rally, yes, there were some physical altercations but outside the rally i was struck by the number of families marching. mothers and fathers with young children up on their parents arms. really speaking out about what donald trump represents in terms of immigrants and other things. things got a little heated and a little tense. take a listen to this conversation i had with a man from the pilson neighborhood of
chicago. he's a mexican-american. immigrant. lives in chicago. he left his house to join this protest, and this is why. >> we were not going to let a bigot come into my neighborhood and disparage my people or my race or ethnicity and i felt that i needed to leave my home, come here and say -- [ speaking in foreign language ] -- enough! quit the bullying. we stopped the bullying in chicago and this is historic. because when you stop a bully once you can then stop him again. guess what? people will lose fear and chicago showed how to deal with a bully. >> poppy, he says stop a bully once, you stop a bully always. chicago knows how to deal with that, but the issue here going forward is, certainly this energizes donald trump supporters and agitates this whole situation here, but we're seeing presidential candidates across the board here republicans and democrats alike, calling on donald trump to have a leadership moment here and
sort of send a directive to some of this own rhetoric here that has enflamed some of this himself. poppy, i think this is just the beginning of this. if donald trump should become the republican nominee, this race goes forward, we got a preview of what could be a tinder box here in the next seven or eight months or so until the general election. it's perhaps an ugly side of american politics. >> i mean, seems it already is, frankly, a tinder box, jeff, and you tweeted this image last night. if we could pull it up. >> right. >> very powerful image. talk to me about it. >> i was struck just by the diversity of the crowd outside, poppy. i mean, donald trump says they were all organized thugs. that's not what i saw at all. you saw black and white, young and old, hispanic and latino, and this picture here of a young white man holding up a sign. "this isn't us." i mean, chicago is, of course, a liberal city like most big cities in america here, but it really felt on the streets of chicago last night, you could
feel they were embracing this moment to say no to donald trump and some of his immigrant rhetoric here. so i was just struck by the diverse tapestry, at least outside of this rally, that really chicago is, covered chicago a long time, lived in chicago, a very diverse city. has problems of its own, with that some of that diversity, but last night it was, it felt like a different moment to me. of course, this is all leading up to the illinois primary, one of those five states voting on tuesday. illinois is among them, and donald trump, of course, was trying to get in support but stopped from coming to a rally in urban chicago. >> yeah. >> poppy? >> and sara, to you, just because you've spent so much time with the trump campaign. to jeff's point about sort of some in both parties calling on this to be a leadership moment for donald trump. he tweeted today, "the organized group of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our first amendment rights in chicago have totally energized america."
that was his statement. they've energized this country. can you walk us through the thinking from the trump camp rather a clear statement denouncing the violence? >> reporter: poppy, what we've seen is that donald trump has said he doesn't want to see violence but comes to events like this and says, get the protestors out of there and today on the stage, on the stage he said, it's not my people who are violated. it's these people who are coming in. so you've seen him try to walk the line and disavow specific incidents of vile, without taking any real responsibility for it. you can hearhis supporters behind me shouting usa. a couple told me before the event started they were nervous about coming today, concerned after seeing the security situation in chicago but wanted to turn out because they felt they wanted to express their own first amendment rights, wanted to show up and support donald trump. so i think that's probably a little bit of what they were trying to get to in that
statement, poppy. >> and martin savidge, to you outside there. i mean, you see the diversity of the crowds coming inside. some have pointed to this being cut down racial lines. right? especially what we saw play out last night in chicago. i just wonder what people are telling you of different races outside there, because when it comes to winning, obviously, any candidate needs the minority vote now as well and donald trump says over and over again i have the support of latinos. i have the support of african-americans. does it seem cut to you down racial lines right now? >> reporter: well, i mean, if you look at the audience that showed up today, it's predominantly white and predominantly appears to be either middle or upper -- as far as the wealth scale, you could see. you don't see a lot of minorities, hispanics and other representations of other groups. so it is pretty much along race lines, however -- now that i say that, the protestors that are
out here are very diverse. so -- it's really hard to just gauge and say by looking at an audience, whether this represents the true constituency of donald trump. one thing you can tell, they're boisterous. >> i know it's hard to hear. someone is standing to your right behind you with a sign that says "vote, don't hate." would she willing to speak with us live. if you could just ask her a little bit more of that message? >> reporter: we were actually talking earlier and fellow clevelanders. let me get your name first. >> susan. >> reporter: susan, why are you here and, of course, you're here the backdrop of very different people than yourself. both in appearance and what you believe. correct? >> yes. well i think we all want the same thing for our country. we want america to be a safe, happy, loving and prosperous place and i wanted to come to show trump supporters that although i may not look like
them, that we want the same things and we don't want hate. we want -- organized, peaceful elections. organized, peaceful protests. we want the saint thing. donald trump is like the leech of politics. he's like a -- i don't know. he's just -- >> reporter: in reference to -- i should point out, poppy. were you were talking about being fearful being here? >> yes. i've been involved in politics all my life and been to many rallies and ras recently at the black lives matter rally and for the first time ever, when we were driving up into the ix center, it was, i was scared. and my son actually didn't want me to come, because he was scared, also. but i felt like i had to just to show people that although i don't look like them, although we may not look like each other, we can still respect each other and have a respectful dialogue. >> reporter: thank you. thank you very much.
>> and welcome back. we love you. >> reporter: yes shg, poppy, go ahead. >> i'd like to hear the other folks behind you on the opposite side of all of this. >> reporter: sure. okay. let me see what i could do. young man -- obviously -- now, you represent -- will vote for her or have voted for -- >> supporting donald trump, yes. >> reporter: okay. we were just talking about people's attitudes of hatred, whether that is reflective. there has been a lot -- >> i can't hear you. >> reporter: a lot of criticism of donald trump. >> yes. >> reporter: and his supporters of being very much against people of different ethnicities, different backgrounds, races, not inclusive. what do you say to that? >> i think he's trying to just make america great again bringing everybody everyone -- >> reporter: a good catch phrase. what are your feelings? >> we're so divided in america and i think he were bring us together like barack obama the done. >> reporter: how does he do that
with the language and the words expressed? >> i don't think his language is the problem. it's just people are too offended in some ways by what he says, he just wants to get stuff done in america. >> reporter: what of the violence last night? >> what was that? >> reporter: what of the violence last night? >> well, as you saw, a lot of them were bernie sanders and hillary clinton supporters. so -- it's not, they said it was all his supporters starting the violence but they were bringing it to him and just supporting trump and defending him. >> reporter: thank you. thank you, young man. so -- there you get just two opinions, in a very large crowd. >> so important to hear those voices, marty. you see the division certainly right there. but glad everyone is out making their own voices heard. appreciate it, martin savidge, sara murray, jeff zeleny. thank you all. a lot ahead. first of all, point you to what's coming up tomorrow morning. look at that lineup. john kasich, donald trump, bernie sanders, marco rubio, all
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donald trump to a dictator given what's happened in chicago and other incidents as well he said as this point he's not sure he can support him as the nominee. very serious statement there, and what was also interesting, poppy, is, he didn't just place blame on trump. he also seemed to place blame on the media for what's going on as well. >> for too long those comments were ignored. some people thought they were cute. and he's gotten an extraordinary amount of coverage for all the stuff he says that's outrageous. every time donald trump offends someone, says something ridiculous and senseless it's wall to wall coverage and only elevated him more and more. >> reporter: here's what's interesting about that. i also spoke to a rubio supporter who had these sort of opposite point of views, poppy, basically telling me that he did not believe the media was going enough, in this words, to expose trump for who he is. but here's the reality of what's going on here in florida. if rubio has any hope of
stopping trump he's got to do it right here. he's got to do it tuesday. >> yeah. >> reporter: as you know, those polls show trump leading in the polls and the rubio camp says e we don't believe the polls. having said that out here today at this meet and greet and at every campaign stop we've seen here in florida, he is encouraging supporters to get out and vote early. poppy? >> not just leading in the polls but by a vast margin, in every -- when you look at these republican polls, i'm looking at four right now where he is up by at least 16 points. are you getting a sense there, jason, why that is? i mean, here is someone that's the home-state senator. do they feel he hasn't had the leadership in the senate? why are they turning away from him? >> reporter: there are a couple things. first of all the rubio camp believes those polls aren't correct and if they show trump up ahead they're not, he's not as ahead in terms of that amount of points. so that's first. second, in terms of why rubio is
not doing better in his home state, if the polls are correct. i have spoken to people poppy, in this northern part of the state, southern part, east, west, all over. what i'm getting, basically there are a number of people here in the state who at one point assorted rubio for the senate. liked what he had to say, believed he would were go into the senate and speak what they wanted to hear and there is a feeling he didn't accomplish that. that he did not do that, and so i think that's why you see him struggling here in his home state once again, if those polls are accurate. that could be part of the reason why. >> yeah. absolutely. makes you wonder, jason, because he had sort of the lowest turnout record for senators last year in 2015 when it came to actually being present for votes in washington. got a lot of criticism for. you wonder if that is affecting him now come to this home state vote on tuesday. jason carroll live for us in tampa. thank you so much. i want to take you to kansas city, missouri.
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welcome back. i'm poppy harlow in new york and we are following politics as they are making, as it is making many, many headlines today. latest in the political race, obviously the delegate count, tuesday's big race. races, five big states. critical winner take all primaries in ohio and florida, the numbers matter so much right now. the delegate count john king breaks down the delegate math for next week's major, major contest. john? >> poppy, hard to overstate the
stakes on tuesday. if you want to stop donald trump tuesday's numbers will make that a reasonable scenario. five states up for democrats and republicans. the numbers here. 367 delegates at stake tuesday. nearly 30% what it takes to win. magic number, 1,237. a big pool of delegates in big battleground states. donald trump enters tuesday at 461 in the delegate chase. magic number, 1,237. poppy, imagine if donald trump runs the board, wins them all, just around 800 delegates. at this point the trump train becomes a runaway train. the dreams stopping donald trump keeping limb to get to 1,237, he'll need delegates well within his reach. it's important, you've heard marco rubio campaign say vote
for john kasich in ohio. kasich wins in ohio, trump's way ahead but knocks him back some. at this point need to win 55% of remaining delegates. if rubio can win his home state of florida, knocks trump back a little more. again, trump in the lead but if it happens rubio and kasich win at home, at this point stop-trump is movement thinks they have him. if trump ends the night in a big lead, in the 630 range, at this point would have to win 60% of the remaining instead of 40% 45% if he runs the board. this is key to be toing donald trump. do you think you can get here by the defense? probably still in the lead but not to 1,237 or if donald trump runs the board -- forget about it. pom poppy. >> hmm. of course, john will be with us
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republican front-runner donald trump just wrapped up a rally in cleveland, ohio. he's making a lot of stops today after that rally didn't actually take place in chicago last night after the violence broke out. looking at ohio, this is a winner take all state. the primary is three days away. trump is facing a tough challenge from ohio's governor john kasich. here's what is at stake for both races. 66 republican delegates. 143 delegates for democrats. when you look at the republican side, some polls have trump leading kasich. a fox news poll out has kasich leading trump. talk more about it. cnn conservative political
commentator buck sexton is with us and from ohio, dayton daily news reporter laura bishoff. thank you for being here. laura, begin with you. what happened in chicago last night? the violence that ensued outside the rally, inside the rally, the rally never takes place, et cetera. do you think in your opinion that benefits anyone in the ohio race? does it benefit kasich, who's condemning it? benefit a trump in a tweet today calmed it energizing? >> i do think that the donald trump supporters will see it as energizing and as kind of, kind of plays into his macho role. i think, also, it plays into john kasich's hand in that he's been trying to remain above the fray, and to be all about positive campaigning and avoiding mud-slinging and name-calling and attacks and such. a really close rate here in ohio. >> buck, to you. when you look at the importance of winning ohio, kasich has
said, that's it. i have to win. he needs 66 votes. i just wonder if you think that what we saw -- take place in michigan, on the democratic side in terms of free trade and how important that was in terms of the voting. if that plays in, and if that hurts kasich at all in ohio given he's been such a strong proponent of free trade, defended it in the debate thursday night, but then you've got this trump voice saying i'm going to end all of these agreements. this is bad for american jobs? >> you can make the argument either way at this point. quite honestly we'll know in a couple days and john kasich's entire hopes here are obviously hinki i hinging on ohio just as is marco rubio's case in florida. i think kasich has a pretty good sense what plays well in ohio. so my guess on that would be that his position on free trade has take than into account. but as to trump, i have to agree what your guest previously said. there will be an energizing
affect among trump supporters given what's happened in the last 24 hours seeing that as legitimizing their point of view, that they are oppressed by the political machine on both sides, actually. the gop establishment and democrats, and the left more broadly. so it's obviously a huge deal for both campaigns because if trump wins in ohio, then he has a claim to being the gop front-runner even if he doesn't get the necessary votes to clench the nomination before the convention and very lard to do some sort of back room tricks to get him to not be that for the end of it. >> and fascinating we saw, like, the communications director forerubio's camp saying, look, kasich's got a better chance in ohio than i do. if you want to defeat trump go out and vote for kasich in ohio. talk more about that strategy ahead. i have to get a break. both of you stay with me. up next i want to talk about this question -- does ohio set the tone for a lot of other states that are going to be voting coming up obviously, including illinois. some of the other rust belt
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unemployment is below 5%. aren't things getting a whole lot better? christine romans digs into exactly what the numbers tell us, especially on the trade deals. >> reporter: poppy, there was this moment in cnn's gop debate this week, that crystallized the populist revolt over free trade. >> trade deals are absolutely killing our country. we're going to have to do taxes unless they behave. >> he's right about the problems, but his solutions don't work. when you're shopping to are your kids, the prices you pay go up 45%. >> the 45% tax is a threat. it is not a tax, it was a threat. >> reporter: tapping into an election year revolt against globalization and the free trade deals that go along with it. at the heart of it, poppy, this statistic -- in 196028 percen28% in factorie. today 8.7%. where do candidates stand? ted cruz said he never supported the trans-pacific partnership
the trade deal, largest trade agreement in history if it becomes law but has supported giving presidents more authority to negotiate deals and then the senate gets the job of voting them up or down, no amendments. donald trump wants 45% tariffs on goods coming into the u.s. from companies that send american jobs overseas. bernie sanders, democratic side, playing into this angst as well. few options to reverse legally binding international agreement. marco rubio has the more traditional republican position on trade, that it opens markets for u.s. goods and factories, raises american living standards, but that doesn't matter. donald trump's argument is resonating with voters. here's why -- call it one america with two economies. jobless rate low. home prices rising. gas cheaper than it's been in years. but family income is back to 1995 levels, and they have to borrow loads of money for college. those without college degrees struggle more to find work. chasing fewer manufacturing
jobs, jobs by the way that now require higher skills. check out this demographic. white men are leaving the labor force. facing more competition from women who have entered the labor market and from immigrants. labor market participation for white males has been shrinking now for six decades. and the spoils of an overall growing economy? well, they go to the earners at the top. the top 10% took home 50% of all income in the year 2014. all of those things, poppy, channeled into a fierce debate on trade. but there's another interesting way to think about it. is this a revolt against free trade agreements or a revolt against globalization? because globalization is spreading with or without trade deals. driven by technology, by hundreds of millions of available workers for jobs around the world, and by american consumers who love low prices. poppy? >> indeed, christine romans, thank you so much. important to put it all in context. we'll talk more about this coming up.
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economics of this race, particularly free trade which proved to be huge deal when michigan voted last week and it will be a major major issue in ohio's veeting voting on tuesday. back with me buck sexton with us from ohio, reporter laura bischoff. laura, how important is this issue of free trade for them? kasich says he has to take ohio home. look, he is a big free trade proponent. he was asked about it thursday night in the debate. he said i want free trade but fair trade. are voters getting the message they want or are they leaning more toward donald trump on that? >> it's unclear. it does sound like a lot of voters are leaning toward donald trump. he is up 6 points in one of the polls, kasich is up 6 points in one of the other polls so it's very close. and you know, kasich he's got
high approval ratings, he's got the ohio republican party backing him and all its machinery helping him in his contest, yet he is still in a dog fight in the polls with donald trump. i think there's a lot of blue collar voters who may cross over from the democratic side and vote for trump in the republican primary because you are allowed to do that in ohio. some might be fueled by kasich's position on trade. we'll see. >> i mean, buck, you're nodding your head. this comes down to that anger, that anger that is brewing that especially from sort of what were middle class white american men who have sort of seen the bottom fall out for them. you look at how well they have done, you know, many of those jobs were good paying jobs, are gone, even in the state of ohio and some attribute that to free trade. >> trump is speaking to those and you're right, ohio is sort of an epicenter of the kinds of
problems that donald trump has been successful convincing people, supporters, that he would be able to address. you would have a huge loss of manufacturing particularly in the aftermath of the recession but even before that we were losing manufacturing jobs. >> technology too. that's not jus because of nafta, free trade deals. >> this is a switch can trump do anything about the loss of manufacturing jobs? i think there is a strong argument not really when he starts talking about tariffs and perhaps setting off what some would consider to be the early stages of a trade war. but as to how this works for ohio, from an election sense, whether people buy into this, i think the polls are showing there is certainly something appealing about donald trump to a lot of ohio voters, he is beating the sitting governor of ohio in a state like this that had economic problems, the loss of manufacturing jobses and has the anxieties of white working class voters. this is a place all of trump's
appeal in the past comes together. i think it's a big test. >> at the same time, laura, with 77% approval rating the fact that under his term there, 400,000 private sector jobs have been created in ohio. >> yes, and the economy is doing well although i will say that a lot of the jobs that have come back don't pay as well as the jobs that have been lost so. there's economic anxiety about that. you know, poverty rates are pretty high, there's a lot of people on medicaid. things are not, you know, super great in ohio but certainly better than they were five, six years ago. >> now, i do think that kasich is going to be running on his record. he is ping ponging around the state and he's holding rallies in places to try to highlight job wins that he's had. he was in dayton yesterday at a manufacturing plant that went in and replaced -- it's -- they took over a large portion of a
long shuttered gm factory, and they hired 1,000 people or so. so, kasich is trying to you know, highlight that sort of record that he can get things accomplished and bring back jobs. >> once again seeing today on the trail he refuses to go negative despite being beaten in a lot of these polls by donald trump. we'll watch, come tuesday, what voters do. thank you. buck will be with us next hour as well. much more ahead. [vet] two yearly physicals down.
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